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Bob_Hansen Senior Member Members Offline WOW, They have the Internet on computers now! Posts: 1861 Location: Salem, NH Joined: Nov 24^th, 2002	[Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Oct 8^th, 2007 at 6:26am	Print Post
	Solution: User has DATABASE RETENTION: ON set in his INI file. While Sesame Server (2.0.3) was open, but working in standalone Designer, I was sometimes seeing applications showing on the Server. I thought perhaps another user was in, but they were not, and the names were from "older" applications that I was not currently using. I was going in as admin and removing them. Shutting down the Sesame Server and restarting it again. Some hours later, process was repeated. My response was the same. I finally "caught" one of the names being added to the application list. It seems to be happening whenever I was importing an XML file. I suspect the XML files may have had names from earlier "old" applications and that is where the names were coming from. If this is normal, I find it confusing to see these names listed as active applications. If this is not normal, then I guess you need to follow up on this. Thanks again for listening. PS-I did not have any problems importing XML files with 2.0.3 like I did earlier. I will have to locate the older file with the MassUpdate programming and see if that works OK now.lved
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	Bob Hansen Sesame Database Manager Professional Sensible Solutions Inc. Salem, NH 603-898-8223 Skype ID = sensiblesolutions
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Bob_Hansen Senior Member Members Offline WOW, They have the Internet on computers now! Posts: 1861 Location: Salem, NH Joined: Nov 24^th, 2002	Re: Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #1 - Oct 8^th, 2007 at 5:23pm	Print Post
	This can probably be marked as SOLVED. Not a mystery any more. In another posting Ray asked me if DATA RETENTION was On/Off. I checked, found it was ON, and I realized why I was seeing these application names. Some startup icons were using my sesame.ini file, and some were not. But this setting was causing applications to stay loaded for faster opening. Not a problem to remove them when I know no one else was using them.

	Bob Hansen Sesame Database Manager Professional Sensible Solutions Inc. Salem, NH 603-898-8223 Skype ID = sensiblesolutions
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Bob_Hansen Senior Member Members Offline WOW, They have the Internet on computers now! Posts: 1861 Location: Salem, NH Joined: Nov 24^th, 2002	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #2 - Oct 8^th, 2007 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Giving this a little more thought may cause me to change some work habits. If I can remember to do it, I may add a Revision ID to the Application Name before I reconcile. Then I will see different names in the Server Application List that will be more meaningful to me. Rather than seeing the same name three times, I will see NameR1, NameR2, NameR3, etc. Not sure of the impact on programming yet, will probably not be a problem unless I am doing an exact match to Application Name. But then I can just modify the program to use @Left(@Application,@Length(@Application)-2) if I am using the last two characters for Revision ID.

	Bob Hansen Sesame Database Manager Professional Sensible Solutions Inc. Salem, NH 603-898-8223 Skype ID = sensiblesolutions
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Ray the Reaper Global Moderator Members Lantica Support Offline The One & The Only Posts: 2482 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2003	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #3 - Oct 8^th, 2007 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Hello Bob, @SelectTreeItem() calls that reference the application menu will be affected if you add a revision number to the Application Title. What you can do is instead of hard coding the application title into the @SelectTreeItem() statements use @Application and concat it in. -Ray

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Carl Underwood Senior Member Members Offline Posts: 1351 Location: New Hampshire Joined: Mar 11^th, 2003	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #4 - Oct 8^th, 2007 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Quote: What you can do is instead of hard coding the application title into the @SelectTreeItem() statements use @Application and concat it in. I have been using this method with great success. Here is a sample: @SelectTreeItem(@Application + "!Forms!Add Data!Invoice!Invoice")

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Bob_Hansen Senior Member Members Offline WOW, They have the Internet on computers now! Posts: 1861 Location: Salem, NH Joined: Nov 24^th, 2002	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #5 - Oct 8^th, 2007 at 11:12pm	Print Post
	Thanks to Ray and Carl. I usually use @Application in Tree calls. I don't see a problem there. Internal programming should adapt automatically unless I do an exact compare to the Application Name string value (see below). But I think perhaps I did not explain well. My intent is to use AppNameR1, then AppNameR2, then AppNameR3 in Application Manager. My formulas could still use @Application with no additional changes, no need to add suffix, etc. Because thry should call the current AppNameRx which will be the same as the TreeTop. My concern was if I did something like this, without the Revision: If @Application() ="Appname" Then {.... then I would need to keep changing the programing to add the "Rx". But if I did this: If @Left(@Application,@Length(@Application)-2) = "AppName" Then {.... I would not have to change the programing. Hope that makes more sense.

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Carl Underwood Senior Member Members Offline Posts: 1351 Location: New Hampshire Joined: Mar 11^th, 2003	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #6 - Oct 9^th, 2007 at 2:15am	Print Post
	Bob_Hansen wrote on Oct 8^th, 2007 at 11:12pm: Hope that makes more sense. Yes, it does.

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Ray the Reaper Global Moderator Members Lantica Support Offline The One & The Only Posts: 2482 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2003	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #7 - Oct 9^th, 2007 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Bob_Hansen wrote on Oct 8^th, 2007 at 11:12pm: But if I did this: If @Left(@Application,@Length(@Application)-2) = "AppName" Then {.... I would not have to change the programing. The only think I would do is make it minus 3 rather than minus 2 and just pad the revision number to two places. This way you allow for 99 revisions rather than 9 revisions. Also if you change your programming to be such then the application title will always need to have a revision number in it, or 3 extra chars at the end. -Ray

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Bob_Hansen Senior Member Members Offline WOW, They have the Internet on computers now! Posts: 1861 Location: Salem, NH Joined: Nov 24^th, 2002	Re: [Solved] Mystery applications in Sesame Server Reply #8 - Oct 9^th, 2007 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Thanks Ray. You are correct, I would use more spaces. I was just trying to provide an example of the technique. Actually, I think the use of checking for the application name for decisions might only happen if I had some common code that needed to perform differently, maybe for different customers. Bu having a different application name in the Sesame Server application list does make sense. Thanks again for the explanations that tied all of these together for me. It was a rough weekend.

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